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I am the cat whisperer!

Adam's cat, Dorthy, has been trained! She brought home a mouse tonight. The mouse was alive, unharmed, and she waited patiently at home while I let it go in Oak Knoll Park. When I returned home, I gave her the fresh catnip as a reward! Now if I can get her to do the same with birds, she'll be as good as Little Miss!

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duc_de_duras
Jul. 11th, 2009 03:29 am (UTC)
oh hon, I don't want to tell you this but that won't help. Cats instinctively puncture the lungs of their prey within seconds. The wounds will be too small for you to see even if you examine the body. The saliva in a cat's mouth is built to kill off those creatures within a few days even if they don't take it down immediately.

You're fighting a loosing battle here.
pamc
Jul. 11th, 2009 03:36 am (UTC)
No, they don't. I have trained 4 cats now to not puncture and not harm the catches they make. I've had a catch and release for years now. The only reason any of the vermin die is if they've had a heart attack, at that's pretty to diagnose in a rodent: look for bulging eyes (more bulging than normal, that is). That means their bp went so high their heart just broke. I can't help with that bit. That's nature.

But no blood. No broken skin. Just a little saliva on the fur.

Cats can be taught to be that gentle (especially female cats, which is good, because they're usually the more ruthless hunters) because they can carry kittens in their mouths without harming them.

It's not a losing battle. Galahad already does this. Little Miss did it perfect all the time (and as I said, including not mussing a single feather on a bird - I have the pictures here as proof). And the legacy continues with Adam's cat.

I rulz!
duc_de_duras
Jul. 11th, 2009 03:44 am (UTC)
I understand you're of the opinion this works. I think you're going with empircal evidence that doesn't fit the long term effects. Both of your release stories are too soon after the fact to see the real impact of the situation.

http://allaboutfrogs.org/stories/scorpion.html



pamc
Jul. 11th, 2009 03:46 am (UTC)
Do *do* know that story is a parable about *people*, right?
duc_de_duras
Jul. 11th, 2009 03:49 am (UTC)
.... you're talking to me?

and the story can be applied to many aspects of the universe. Just targeting people is too narrow.
pamc
Jul. 11th, 2009 04:12 am (UTC)
Yes, the writer is talking to the publisher. The story was written about humans with a human audience in mind. Animals, in point of fact, are a lot better at being trained than humans. It's humans who have the hardest time changing their nature.

We train all sorts of animals. Can I train the cats not to bolt at cars? No. So I walk them at 2am. But I *have* trained them to walk without leashes and to follow me almost anywhere. They travel well in cars, *if* you train them at the right age. And, it's always easier to train them when you have another older cat who follows the rules implicitly.

Why is that so hard for you to believe when I've seen living proof? I mean, yeah, I've carried home the corpses too, but I know it's possible.

You're talking to the woman who trained raccoons to eat out of her hand, remember? Who wasn't attacked when she rescued their baby...

Why can't you see the beauty that's in front of you?
duc_de_duras
Jul. 11th, 2009 04:28 am (UTC)
I don't see it as beauty at all. Because you're using beauty as an opposition to natural order. It's inherant in you're valueing that the predator not kill the prey. Why would that be beautiful?

Let's assume you have had success at this. You would see this as a thing of value. I don't see it as a value. In truth I see it as a corruption of this creature's natural and desired activities.

Teaching a racoon to eat out of your hand is likely creating a serious problem. This animal is now far more likely to die than it was prior to learning that some humans are safe. It will be more likely to trust people and as such be less afraid of them. This will lead the animal to situations where it will become a pest and will be eliminated for being one. This is why national parks don't want people feeding the animals. This is why bear populations end up causing problems.

Accept cats for what they are, domesticated predators. They have a lot of breeding that's been done to make sure these creature can co-exist in a positive manor with humans but part of that co-existance is at heart that they are predators of pest species. Such as rodents and to some degree some avians.
pamc
Jul. 11th, 2009 04:56 am (UTC)
The "natural order"?!? You wanna talk to me about how fucked up the natural order is?!?!

I love you, Mark, but fucking THINK!
pamc
Jul. 11th, 2009 04:59 am (UTC)
I gotta add...
That's the funniest fucking thing I've heard all night! All year even!

Natural order.... like that's a good thing....

BWAHAHAHAHA!

Oh, Mark... bless you.
duc_de_duras
Jul. 11th, 2009 05:07 am (UTC)
Re: I gotta add...
Sorry I don't see it as amusing. This is an agree to disagree situation.
pamc
Jul. 11th, 2009 05:34 am (UTC)
Re: I gotta add...
Oh, you WILL agree with me in a second. You gotta bite the bullet on this one, Mark.

Every day I'm alive is against the natural order.


So... wanna rethink your position?

Sad thing is, sometimes my happy though is, "Maybe today I'll die of natural causese" when all I have to do to die of natural causes is to not take my medication in the morning.

I fight every goddamn day against the natural order and I have already acheived the impossible by LIVING.

Now, I know that you don't want to say that it would be ore in line with how things should be if your friend were dead.

Which is why I've already forgiven you.

But really... please remember who you're talking to sometimes. You went through cancer. I thought you'd know this, but maybe healing is as forgetful as they say... And I think I like it that way.
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